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01 May 2014 19:04:23
Although of course open to everyone to join the discussion, this is mainly a reply to KM's excellent discussion on managers below.

I would concede that TS is the best PL manager that Spurs have had when considering points scored (which really is the only objective way to measure it). But only just. We will also need to win both of our remaining games (or for him to be sacked before then) for him to keep it.

So to the stats:

TS has managed 20 games and scored 39pts (1.95 per game). Before that AVB managed 16 games and scored 27pts (1.69pg). Another way to measure it is to take all of AVB's games, where he scored 99pts in 54 games, at a rate of 1.83pg. These are the common ways it is usually looked at.

I'm a big fan of comparing results to the previous season as a benchmark. Some teams are easier, or a bogey team, and also some teams can be very tough away but pretty easy at home (e.g. Stoke). So let's do that.

Taking the first 16 games of the season, AVB scored 28 points last year to 27 points this year. Hardly a sackable offence on that basis, but it does feel like the decision was more a boardroom clash over scoring goals and playing Adebayor.

Comparing the next 20 games AVB scored 38 points last year, whereas TS has scored 39 points this year. So Tim is a point ahead. However AVB won the equivalent last 2 games (Hammers away and Villa at home) meaning Tim will need maximum points to stay ahead.

So I think it is fair to say that although TS is not a disaster as far as points scored goes, he's not an improvement on AVB. Where it is comparable the two have performed very similarly. But that means that you can't call for Tim to stay on his performance, as against the equivalent teams the previous year he has not improved us.

So I think if he does go you need to look at two things:
(a) a manager that can get the best out of players rather than seemingly always having a pop at them
(b) a manager that can beat the big teams

I guess it comes down to ambition. TS has not done a bad job; but can we do better?

(*someone please fact check those numbers as a typo on my part is easy as I've been copying them by hand!)


1.) Wulf

My original post was not intended to boost Sherwood as our manager for next season. Your own posts have given several good reasons for not doing that.

I was only arguing that he hadn't done too badly as a stop-gap and deserves some credit for steadying the ship at a time when we could have gone into melt-down.

My own concern is whether he could keep that up, given his lack of experience.

Spurs1985 mentioned the 'new manger effect' and I tried to factor it out of my data, but my gut feel is that he is probably right and the effect has simply lasted a bit longer than usual.

Originally, I was sceptical about appointing AVB, given his relatively thin CV, but his record for us was pretty good and in the end I think he got a raw deal.

I hope the next manager is given a real chance to build something solid at WHL.

2.) Oh yes, absolutely (and my post was not meant to imply that you were advocating him, sorry if it came across that way).

Like you I agree that he's done a decent job as a stand in (certainly equivalent to AVB).

3.) Not to disagree with either of you, I also think TS has had the benefit of the second half of the season and some of the new signings settling Eriksen being the obvious example, and maybe Chadli to a lesser case. A period of time AVB did not get who ever was responsible for the signings.

The counter to that would be the increasing number of players that appear to be becoming unsettled during the second part of the season for whatever reason.

At the end of the day you have to play the cards you are dealt and motivate them to play for the club.



23 Mar 2014 13:41:49
Well here is proof that Benfica was an accident. Chadli central, Eriksen on the left again. Dembele in a double pivot with Bentaleb.

Annoying that if you had those same three players with Cadli left, Eriksen central but deeper and Dembele back to his AMC role he had with Fulham and I think we'd be so much better.

At least he won't be here next year.




12 Feb 2014 00:26:36
LES (and other media outlets now) are reporting that West Ham have agreed to the sale of the Boleyn Ground for when they move to the Olympic Stadium in 2016.



1.) There was a rumour that there is one Greek family that are refusing to move unless spurs pay there ridiculously high amount for their house and that is holding up the plans. Not saying its true but it could be.



16 Aug 2013 14:04:33
Now I've read it all. That's right folks you heard it correctly Bale is definitely leaving because his tax disc expires at the end of this month.

The rags are getting really desperate.


1.) All that effort typing your story, and its all just a lie, why bother?




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07 Aug 2017 17:10:02
> Da Sacc Man you have been completely destroyed by everyone. For months people had to swallow your nonsense, and now all you will be is a smile on our face every time we chuckle at your posts.

The same thing happened with you Oracle when you told us the Damaio had already put pen to paper on a contract and the only reason we had not announced it was so that we could unveil him in the Olympic stadium that we were about to confirm was going to be our new home.

You are hardly one to be calling other people out.




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01 Feb 2016 00:07:14
Ed033 - if we wanted to wait for deadline day to have finished to look back with perfect accuracy over who we may or may not have signed, then why are we on a transfer rumours website?

Waiting is the exact opposite of the point of this website's existence.


{Ed033's Note - This web site is for people to talk about all things Tottenham Hotspur. An ed giving info is a bonus. Most of the posts are people talking to each other and those posts are on the spurs banter page



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24 Jan 2016 16:49:07
Ed - There's been a lot of paper reports about numerous times of Poch talking about having the right character of person as well as the talent. I've taken this to be a coded signal that Berahino won't be joining us. Am I wrong to do so, and is there something else meant by those messages do you know?





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31 Aug 2015 20:24:04
Article on a fan website said he was going to leave anyhow so no choice really. Forget the site but saw it this morning on newsnow.




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12 Aug 2015 00:51:58
"there's no smoke without fire"

Bobby, you're going to kill yourself with stress if you think this is true about football transfer rumours.





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08 Aug 2018 15:38:44
The retractable pitch is a smart move for the club. For a 1 time cost it allows us to generate extra revenue from non-football events.

There is of course the NFL deal for 2+ games a year. This not only gives a potential £500k / game in profit, but also could mean an NFL franchise being based in London. That's impossible at the moment as neither Wembley nor Twickenham are suitable, and all other suitable grounds cannot share with a football team as the pitch will get torn up. Now I'm not a fan of the american version of football, but the income that we would get from a franchise would be huge.

Then there is the US exposure. NFL fans, who far outweigh "soccer" fans in the US will see a team regularly playing at our stadium. This could draw a lot of them into supporting us as a team. More shirt sales means more money for us both through better kit deals and increased sponsorship income as it breaks into the very tough US markets.

Then there is the possibility of hosting events like music or comedy shows in the stadium on the retractable NFL pitch. That can cope with it in a way that our pitch cannot because of the damage done and the time it takes to recover. And if Ed Sheran or Adele play at our stadium that is a ton of extra money as well.

Like any investment it will take a bt of time to make it back, but it increases our commercial revenue that will hold us in good stead for the long term - and I mean long after players like Kane have retired. And we've borrowed half the money for the stadium so it's not like we have no cash at all to buy players with. You don't double Kane's salary if you are broke do you?

Levy is a very good chairman. Bit pants at picking a manager I will admit, so I hope Poch stays. But let's not go back to the mid-90's hey?




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17 Jan 2016 10:09:51
Don't be mad at oddbod, he's just getting his digs in when he can. Everyone knows Arsenal have a great season until they get beaten by Barcelona in the CL and the wheels fall off.




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05 Dec 2015 00:15:57
So you agree that you are average dags?




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10 Nov 2015 07:50:55
There is no point trying to get into the CL, Lucas, if we succeed and then either fail to get out of the group or fail to finish top 4. The team has to get used to taking Europe seriously whilst mounting a strong league campaign. That means doing what we are doing now.




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11 Oct 2015 21:09:25
With the accusations we've had from a few years back about our players switching off that's the last thing we need!